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Hello everyone! With the release of Pokemon X/Y I was inspired to make a post about the most annoying part of the Pokemon fandom; Genwunners. Since the beginning, these guys have been farting their nostalgic gasses ruining the Pokemon experience for all fans. They usually pop up when a new Generation is introduced, however they especially got whiny after Generation 3. In my opinion, Generation 5 had the biggest WAAAAH fest courtsey of the Genwunner's club but Gen 6 is also getting its whiners as well. Therefore I think its more than appropiate to release this post now that the whining is at full blast!

I've been part of the Pokemon fandom since the third grade. I can remember Pokemon as being the 'new hip trend' therefore everyone was into it and life was peaceful for the most part. Since I was a child and life was simpler back then, whenever I look back to Generation 1 and 2 I feel nostalgic and...well...happy! Pokemon wasn't just a videogame to us kids; it was a way of life (this is super geeky I know but hell, thats what we thought back then!). It made our imaginations run wild and it made us cut up paper Pokemon to pretend they were real. 

Now as a kid, I played the Gen 1 and Gen 2 games obsessively. Because the time period was so fun and simple, I cherished and enjoyed the games fully even if my little child brain didn't catch the flaws. Who cares if the Golbat sprite was the most horrifying thing anyone ever designed? It was the game where it allowed us to be Pokemon trainers, and we thanked our lucky stars for that. Being children we fondly remember the godawful game glitches as POKEGODS and mysteries that needed to be solved. As a kid you are way more forgiving to flaws, especially to the phenomenon that was Pokemon. This my friends is called; nostalgia. 

It feels like a UTOPIC AGE OF WONDER because we were CHILDREN. That holographic Charizard is technically a piece of cardboard but your childish mind registered it as the greatest way to make your school mates green in envy. THE KEY TO ULTIMATE POPULARITY. 

So lets fast forward years later. Gen 3 proved to be quite an infamous generation for the 'old fans' because it lacked any of the old pokemon. Was this fair for the games? Absolutely not. Gamefreak wanted to try a new formula and new designs. They wanted to keep moving forward by expanding the Pokemon universe. It no longer felt familiar to some of the older fans and it ceased to be that awesome playground they used as kids. Let me put it this way, imagine that when you were a kid you used to go to this awesome little park. Even with the faulty swing and the rusty monkey bars, you still loved this park. Years later, they replaced the park with a more modern jungle gym and super slide. You've outgrown this park and it seems unfamiliar to you, therefore you feel that you can't use it. Its an understandable feeling. 

 In the game's case it was an entirely new region and it was really hard to get the old Pokemon, so perhaps they should've made a better balance with the old and new. Nevertheless, Pokemon lost a lot of its old fanbase and some of them evolved into the dreadful Genwunners. 

In my opinion while Gen 3 wasn't perfect, it didn't deserve such harsh rejection from the old fans. Playing the game it did feel fresh and new and it still felt like Pokemon. Not to mention that got a new audience. Then Generation 4 came along, and they made evolutions to some old Pokemon. The Genwunners popped up again and sneered at the changes, and of the fact that it no longer had the Kanto region and that the games rejected the old pokemon. 

However...this out cry was a whimper compared to Generation 5.

Despite the fact that Generation 5 was the best Pokemon games up to date, the Genwunners whined at full blast. WHY ARE THE POKEMON SO UGLY?!??! I MISS THE OLD DAYS WHERE THE GAMES DIDN'T HAVE POKEMON BASED ON ICE CREAM WTFBBQ. 

The inverse effect happened when Generation 6 announced that there will only be 69 new pokemon. Many Genwunners haughtily complained that Gamefreak is running out of ideas while they jerked off to Charizard X/Y. 

So, after this retrospective of the Genwunner species, what are the most common complaints you can find on these kind of fans? (and I say this term REALLY loosely because no real fan will forbid a franchise to change and evolve). 

1) THE GENERATION 1 GAMES WERE A MASTERPIECE. WHY DON'T THEY JUST MAKE THE GAMES LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE?!?!?

Every technical flaw of Gen 1 right here, you're welcome: static4.fjcdn.com/comments/we+…

Not only that but the games were full of glitches, plus wonky pokemon designs that looked NOTHING like the official designs, and 
if you didn't have a link cable or a friend with the game you couldn't get all Pokemon (so in a way you couldn't beat the primary objective of the game). Most importantly, the game was incredibly unbalanced because Psychic types were overpowered. Nothing could beat these 'mons, so being competitive in Gen 1 was almost impossible.

The new games are LIGHT YEARS better than the old games. This is coming from someone who played the old games obsessively as a kid, believe me when I say this. Gen 1 and Gen 2 games seem better because you were an easily impressed crotchdumpling when you played them. You forgave its imperfections and its flaws because it let you kill things with you level 100 Charizard with Fire Blast, Ember, Cut, and Flamethrower. If you STILL think that Gen 1 games are better in a technical level then I'm sorry but you are a lemming (I apologize to lemmings everywhere). 


2) NINTENDO/GAMEFREAK IS RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS HARHARHAR LOOK THEY MADE AN ICE CREAM AND GARBAGE POKEMON, IN MY DAY POKEMON WERE BASED ON ANIMALS AND WERE MORE SIMPLE


Yes, the generation that brought us a pile of purple decomposed garbage, a bunch of eggs with faces on them, a mole that evolved into three angry moles, a pokeball with a face on it COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE UNORIGINAL NOOOO. 

I'm not gonna lie and call Generation 5 perfect. Some of it's designs were overcomplicated. However, this applies to every generation. There will always be animal pokemon, object pokemon, beautiful pokemon and ugly pokemon. NO GENERATION is perfect when it comes to its designs and even if you believe in the bottom of your heart that Gen 1 had the best designs, that is an opinion and not a valid argument. What may be attractive to YOU may not be attractive to someone else. 

But in a way, Genwunners are saying to IGNORE Generation 5 because it has 'the ice cream pokemon'. Yes, let's ignore the generation that has; a better story, better mechanics, better graphics, and higher team customization because it has a pokemon you think is ugly. BOOOOO FUCKING HOOOOOOOO. 

3) HAHAHHHA YOU NEW PLAYERS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NATURES/EVS/WHATEVER IN MY DAY IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE BATTLES AND NOT STUPID MATH SHIT

Pretty much this post: 1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/bo… defines the typical Genwunner complaint. 

Now there is a very simple solution to all of this, it might even blow you mind. If you don't want to bother with natures and Evs...Don't bother with them. Play the game casually and have fun your OWN way. However, you cannot deny the fact that making the game more strategic increases the possibilities and makes it more challenging (and in many cases fun). I know you cannot quench your thirst for destruction with all those complicated numbers, but back at Gen 1 the only Pokemon that had a chance competitively was Mewtwo. Psychic types were vastly overpowered and being the Psychic type legendary , it was ESSENTIAL to have this guy in your team if you wanted to survive. 

I suppose since the games were uncomplicated it was easier for us to comprehend them when we were children. But it seems that Genwunners are still in that mindset. They DON'T want to change because they remember Pokemon as a utopic time of wonder, unaware that the only reason WHY they are so blind is because of nostalgia. They want to feel like they are in their little 8 bit playground again with their Charizard and Missingno. However, what differences Genwunners from nostalgic fans are one important factor; they want to ruin the fun for everyone else. That's what makes them an incredibly despicable sector in the fandom because instead of supporting the franchise they 'love so much' they want to kill it. Instead of offering constructive and logical arguments on how to improve the games, they take steps back and rely on insignificant things like the horrors of the ice cream pokemon.

Fans that want their franchise to take steps back are not true fans. Those who are afraid of change and progress are toxic. This is why its best to spray those Genwunners with logic and let them be. The best thing to do is to enjoy and play the games you love while they rot in their complaint pit. If someone dares to keep you from enjoying something harmless and fun, they are not worth it.

Thanks for reading, and I shall wait patiently for my copy of Pokemon X (just two more weeks for me). Happy gaming loves!

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I don't mind people posting their negative opinions concerning me, but some people take it so personally. They believe that me posting a certain opinion or a set or arguments is going to change the fabric of reality as we know it, and they call me 'rude' for posting such opinion in the first place.

The only thing I said that really set them off is that Gen 1 is inferior to Gen 5. I believe Gamefreak thinks this too. 

I never said the designs are better (unless you count graphics) since that depends on taste. But if you want to prove that Gen 1 is better than Gen 5 in the TECHNICAL sense, I would love to see your arguments. I really do. 

Tell me WHY the story is better, why are the flawed game mechanics 'superior', and how the battle system is more refined. 

The post I made was directly to GENWUNNERS who are a negative part of the Pokemon fanbase. They offer NOTHING constructive and they are NEVER polite. People who are Gen 1 fans and express their opinion in a well done manner are NOT Genwunners.

I get tired of replying to posts like this because they usually put words in my mouth or they feel like I'm 'attacking' them. I'm not attacking, I'm saying what many people have said before. Genwunners are the worst part of the Pokemon community for being mean spirited and rude and they should either grow up or get out.

I'm not here to challenge anyone, there are no 'opponents'. Calm yo tits peeps. 
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DrCoeloCephalo Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Your opinion is agreeable and logical. I guess as far as 'nostalgia' goes for me, I was just playing mini-games in Pokemon Stadium and laughing my lungs out at Lickitung's 'blargh' cry when I sent it out. So I didn't really have that special connection to the older games until Fire Red and Emerald when I was about 10. 

As far your points go:

1) I'm glad I never had to put up with all the nonsense those glitches must've made.

2) I LOVE variety. The more different the Pokemon get, the better. It makes for new combinations and nearly limitless possibilities. Plus, Pokemon has been fun for me to memorize as a kid. There's no such thing as 'stupid' Pokemon... unless you're referring to Slowpoke or Slowbro. Probably the only Kanto Pokemon I ever cared about seriously were Snorlax, Lickitung and Dragonite. 

3) I've only recently gotten into competitive battle in generation 6, so I'm among the lucky ones that didn't have to worry about the past traumas of EV's. Now that we have Super Training and Horde Battles, we only need to spend up to 1 hour to get the appropriate EV's for a single Pokemon. Of course, if trainers don't like all that stuff, even if it is made easier than ever, then like you said, they don't have to do it. Nobody's forcing them to dump their favorite Starter Pokemon or cruddy Eeveelution for something that outclasses it. They just shouldn't expect to win against someone online.

It's hard to find something I can disagree with you on. I like when Game Freak does something new to make it so I'm not just replaying the same thing again.
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PHIZBENANDPOKEMONRUL Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My team against genwunners:
Zoroark, Zekrom, reshiram, Serperior, Emboar, and samurott

Their team: 
Magikarp,Voltorb,Magnemite,Diglett,Charizard, and grimer

Genwunner:My team has the coolest designs ever! A fish, A pokeball, A magnet, A mole thing and a dragon

Me:I have a werewolf, A dragon, another dragon, A serpent, a samurai and a boar that can make his own bacon, Now shut up or I will kill you genwunner.
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PHIZBENANDPOKEMONRUL Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226… Genwunner is on this link.
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SagaTheMeow Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Student Artist
I disagree with you on so many things.
 
1) THE GENERATION 1 GAMES WERE A MASTERPIECE. WHY DON'T THEY JUST MAKE THE GAMES LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE?!?!?

The reason many of us feel like this is not because we think Pokémon Red is objectively better than Pokémon Y, but because we believe that Pokémon Red, when pitted against the rest of the games of it´s generation, was a groundbreaking game that could hardly be compared to anything else portable at that time.

Pokémon Y, as fun as it is, and as objectively superior as it is over Red, is not a "groundbreaking" game unmatched by the rest of the games of it´s generation.
But this is not because "it cannot be done" but rather, because Nintendo keeps releasing new features and expanded gameplay little by little to sell more and more games.

For instance, do you really think it would be that much of a problem for them to make a game that allows everyone to re-visit all the old regions and collect every single badge and then make some kind of massive league tournament against all the main chars and notable characters of every generation?

Let´s face it, the only reason Nintendo does not do such a thing is because money talks and the current model works, not because they could not make another groundbreaking title.

So yes, "genwunners" will keep hoping and praying for nintendo to throw everything into the oven and making another legendary Pokémon game.


3) HAHAHHHA YOU NEW PLAYERS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NATURES/EVS/WHATEVER IN MY DAY IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE BATTLES AND NOT STUPID MATH SHIT


The reason many of us dislike this is because it made making a team of your fav Pokémon and playing any seriously completely incompatible.

You talk about how "Mewtwo ruled over all" but Mewtwo was usually banned in pretty much every tournament or competition, and i know this since
i was one of the 10 winners of the gold/silver promotion Pokémon tournament in Spain back in the day.

Back in the day, you could still participate half seriously with a team made of favorites,  now, you cannot do it anymore for the most part.

And your rant about IV/EV/NATURES is pure bullshit.
The new "system" does not make battles more "strategic" nor it depends on skill or ability.

The new system is all about farming eggs for days, weeks or even months ´til your perfect nature/IV/EV team is trained.....just so you can play as competitively as you could have done so from the start if these random numbers did not exist to begin with.

Stop fooling yourself, IV/EV/NATURE are not here to make "the game more challenging", they are there to force you to spend more time in the game  and involving yourself with it in order to be able to participate and compete in any serious level.

That is, of course,  unless you consider running on your bike in endless circles a matter of skill and ability.


I will not even address all your "Genwunners are this,  genwunners suck, genwunners are rotten" and the rest of ad hominems that you have thrown all over your text because frankly they discredit you enough by themselves.

Same goes with your wild assumptions about why and how what you call genwunners think and operate, because they are downright ridiculous.









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Damian109 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
What she's saying is true. I've met quite a few who act exactly like who she describes them, my cousin is even dating one. They consently say that the new pokemon suck and are unoriginal and uncreative. Then when I point out the faults and uncreative designs Gen 1 had, they cuss me out and call me retarded for comparing Gen 1 to the new Gen's. I evev listed over 70 creative pokemon designs but they ignored them and only looked at Garbodor and Vanillish and because of these two the new gens suck. I even asked this girl a few days ago on this site why she hated the new pokemon games and still haven't got an answer. Very rarely do I meet that rare person who's not a fan of the newer Gens but respect the people that like them and don't act like jerks.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
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I think you COMPLETELY misunderstood what a GENWUNNER is. 

A Genwunner does NOT equal a Generation 1 fan.
A genwunner is someone who wants to ruin everyone's fun by saying THE NEW GAMES SUCK without any good arguments. 

I've met them, which is why I wrote this. It's obvious I'm not the only one since people DO agree with me.
Now you obviously disagree and that's fine but seriously nothing will change that Gen 1 was plagued with technical problems. I don't give a fuck if it's groundbreaking, because that fact doesn't make it superior. The fact stands that Pokemon is still popular after all this time and people are still buying the games. The argument that Pokemon Red is BETTER than the games after simply because it's groundbreaking is silly, because the poor graphics and the flawed battle system means that while it's groundbreaking it is not TIMELESS to many. It's like saying the Atari is better than the Super Nintendo because it came first, use your facts. 

I was RAISED with Gen 1, I LOVED Gen 1 as a kid. But I love Gen 6 more. Genwunners gave me shit for it, so I wrote a journal venting about it. 
How dare I vent in a personal blog oh my~

By the way, here's a lil secret...If you want to play Pokemon the OLD way do it. Don't bother with EVs and Ivs and just choose your favorites THEY ARE STILL THERE. Also, I like the Nature/IV/Evs aspect of the game more than every Pokemon being the fucking same one in the old games. And the fact that there is no Attack/special split in the attacks, unbalanced typing, glitched moves...need I say more? 

I'm not going to further debate with you because your comment is obviously looking for a fight and not looking to debate in a pleasant way. So yea, this will be my las comment on the subject because I feel that reasoning with the likes of you is pointless. Have a good day <3

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SagaTheMeow Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Student Artist
A Genwunner, which  by the way, is a word created by the Transformers fandom and not the Pokémon fandom, is a fan of the original series/games that considers that only the first generation is good and that everything that came afterwards is not as good.  You can be a genwunner without being as aggressive as you describe, and i am often called such.

You talk about Pokémon Red´s technical problems conveniently ignoring the GAMEBREAKING BUG that Pokémon Y/X had, which erased the savefiles of thousands of players before it was patched a few weeks later.

Then, with your typical condescending excuse for an attitude, you tell me that " i can still play my way and with the pokémon i choose" conveniently ignoring that every single discussion about the game systems is obviously taking the competitive scene into account, and not your regular solo/friendly gameplay.

Yes, i can play "the way i want with the pokémon i choose",  i could potentially make a team of lv1 magikarps and "play the game" but that does not change THE FACT that the new system has totally wrecked a big amount of teams, pokémon and combinations.

So yeah, cut your WELL DUH!!!!! attitude because you do not seem to even understand what the gameplay-debates are about


And finally, you have showcased once again your incredible ability to interpret the intention of those that oppose to you, and claim i am here to fight you and that it is pointless to discuss "with the likes of me"

You are the only confrontational douchebag around here.
"Have a good day" <3
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I only act as a douche to people who act like fuckheads hunny buns! By the way I made this journal months ago and my opinion has been slightly changed by those who debated with me in a civil manner. 

Oh and at least the glitch in X/Y was FIXED :D Yeah conveniniently ignore that argument to win a pointless debate. The gen 1 games are still around so there is no reason for you to bitch and moan that the new games are not SUITED FOR YOU :).

So yeah, I'm going to block you to save you from humiliating yourself any further with your idiotic comments. 
Bye, bye baby~:heart:
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dookieshed Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014
you said crotchdumpling

my life is complete
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Qydra Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Five hours into the game, I had Ralts, Torchic, Beedrill, Pidgeotto, and Charmander on my team.

How can genwunners possibly complain about X and Y??  They brought back the freaking all-stars from all generations, including many of the original Generation 1 Pokémon, and made them available early in the game!  I mean, the professor lets you pick a Gen 1 starter in the third town.  If that doesn't appease the whiners, I don't know what will.  Me?  I'm going to relish my Gardevoir, my Blaziken, and my Charizard.

And yes, Gen 5 brought us the Ice Cream Pokemon.  It also brought us an awesome Ghost/Fire sweeper that stokes its mystic flames with the souls of those it has killed, a cyber-tank dragon with three heads, the freaking Dragonite of bug Pokémon, and, at long last, a pure-blooded Dragon-type that stayed that way.  To me, I can overlook one stupid Pokémon for all the awesome ones each generation brings us.
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PHIZBENANDPOKEMONRUL Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Qydra  You are so correct, not only that, But mewtwo, and 1 of the legendary birds are catchable in the wild, PLUS they remixed the theme, And they're STILL complaining???? I can just look at zoroark and fall in love with gen 5.
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angelstar3999 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2013
Okay this post made me laugh so hard. I have never heard of Genwunner before and when I read this post I couldn't stop laughing... since I was around when the first game/anime came out I have been following the series through each generation. I must admit that I got a kick out of the Black/White series Pokemon and the new generation... but there designs and the new graphics I well admit make the games better then the originals. I will always have a place in my heart for the originals, because it was a big part of my childhood, but there is always room for new designs, plus I love the new gender difference in the Pikachu.

Thank you for sharing 
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Miscomunication Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with you quite a bit there.
And I do have to say... I thought they WERE running out of ideas with Unova, but that idea got kicked upside the head when the Kalos region pokemon were released. I LIKE DEM ALL.
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0parkp Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
All good points - and it's all down to your playing preference. But still annoys me when people are stuck in the past, so to speak
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ShinyGirafarig Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
My theory for why some just can't accept the new generations is probably because the art style had a drastic jump in design from gen 2 to 3. I find that many gen 2 Pokemon would not look out of place if they were introduced in gen 1 but the same cannot be said for most designs gen 3 and after. An easy to see comparison about the designs in between gens is the evolutions/pre-evolutions introduced in future gens. Look at Weavile and Togekiss. They would not look out of place at all if they were introduced alongside with Sneasle and Togetic back in gen 2. Look at Mime Jr. I find that to be quite a big jump in design compared to Mr. Mime.
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Masterge77 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013  Hobbyist
I honestly never grew up with the first generation of Pokemon, I didn't even know what Pokemon even WAS until around 2001-2002 when a friend introduced me to the franchise, and got my first Pokemon game in 2003 when Gen 3 started, and my favorite Pokemon are from Gen 4 and 5

However, I really dislike Genwunners, for most of the same reasons as you and many others do.
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zactoab Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist

Interesting little fact about me: Although my first game was Pokémon Yellow when I was about third grade, I actually have nostalgia glasses more for gen 3, rather than gen 1. There's a lot of reasons I could say it is so, but what's probably most likely is that it was the first game I could steamroll the whole thing with just one Pokémon (I hadn't quite grasped the basics of what you're supposed to do).

 

Also, I've heard that psychic types can be handled by use of X Special, but I think competitive battling focuses on not using them.

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RadBlueCinderblock Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Seems you just took the words out of my mouth. XD

For me, I actually take a liking to the not-so-favored-by-genwunners pokemon as well as all of the others. I just end up liking every pokemon when I play the games long enough. They grow on me. One thing I'd like to add on the pokemon design topic is that if maybe those genwunners actually play the newer games while enjoying it and not complaining about all of the changes and new pokemon, it'll grow on them too.

Playing a nuzlocke may help as well, as you're forced to train the first pokemon you catch in each area, no matter what it is. Like how in X, I'm training and using pokemon amie with the first pokemon I find. Pokemon amie can kinda help with liking newer pokemon, if only by a bit.
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AmayaKita85 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Considering Fire red was my first Pokemon game, I had no idea the older Pokemon games even existed. I moved on to Sapphire, Heart Gold, Black and then Diamond when I found out that there were games before Fire red and went to seek them. I hated them.
I thought the graphics were hideous and battling was dull.
Then I took a step back and realized the only thing that was holding me back was my attachment to Generation 3. I think it's that same attachment that keeps "genwunners" (what an ugly word) from moving on.
I say I think because I really don't understand. If it's plot of the newer games that they hate... the plot of all the games is crap. More than plot the only reason I ever play these games is because of the Pokemon... because I would never have given Pokemon a second glance otherwise. 
Now I read the comments and I have to say this whole thing just feels like an open provocation to anyone who does not agree. It is not productive and it won't make a difference... why bother?
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree, people don't play pokemon because of the storyline. 

I'm just stating my opinion in my journal :shrug: I have every right especially because I see genwunners everywhere, especially when a new game pops up. 
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Damian109 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
Yes you do, sadly they don't see it that way. They spout off their opinions and expect you to respect them but don't show you that same respect. I was talking with this "lady" who was saying the new gens suck in comparison to gen 1, then when I begin pointing out the flaws and poor designs in gen 1 she calls me retarded, calls me stupid because I made two little grammar errors, insults me some more like a little child, and then blocks me. Very rarely do I meet the one exception who respects you for liking the new gens and doesn't act like a immature child but like a mature adult.
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AmayaKita85 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
makes sense
you get the right because they do.
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Moonstruck-badger Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I think it really shows how much nostalgia affects our perspectives since Gen 3 is actually my favorite, since Sapphire was my first pokemon game :P Obviously far from perfect, but it still might be one of the pokemon games that I return to the most. I still remember using my first master ball on an Absol in that game XD
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happyametuer Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
Ehhh concerning gen 5. I really didn't like some of the things in BW and BW2. Granted, I LOVE the convenience changes in the gameplay, especially the physical/special revamping in gen 4, and the gameplay is really nice, but . . . just a lot of things from the plot to the scripted events to the obnoxious and obvious fan pandering in BW2. In fact, BW2 is the worst pokemon game, in my opinion. I do like tons of things in BW and those are connected to the gameplay, though.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
BW2 is the worst pokemon game storywise IMO. But the game mechanics are improved at the region was expanded so it is one of the best games to play competitively. 
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happyametuer Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
I can agree with that. I wanted to enjoy the game SO MUCH but the scripted events, forced plot, and constant handholding just ruined it for me.
I did like the aesthetics and various gameplay mechanics but the story was such a black hole that it dragged any sense of enjoyment out of me.
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Yamikaisu Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Artist
I personally don't like the "TRUE" fan premise, because all you really have to do to be a fan is like the franchise. There are all kinds of fans. But I digress.

I do think these later games are much better games for obvious reasons. Though my first games were red and blue I can't stand playing them because they're not as dynamic and are really barren. (Also ugh that sprite art) I mean I appreciate them for what they are, but I wouldn't dare say they're better than the later games. Gen 1 is seriously dated. The amount of options you get in later games gives the feeling that you have a more fleshed out world. Not to mention

THEY FINALLY STOPPED USING SPRITES THANK GOD

The only possible complaint I have about this game is how the exp share item works... I have mixed feelings about it, but it feels nice not having to grind as much.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree with you. I regret using the first image because I didn't read that final phrase (which I do not agree at all) so yeah.
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Alamodefender Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
When you break it down, some people just want to be kids again. And that's what these Genwunners are: manchildren.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
You are probably right! :)
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Alamodefender Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
Or, it could be a bunch of people acting like the new generation (of Pokémon in this case) is going to hell in a handbasket.
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TheRandomWho Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Hobbyist
Well, the story in-game is better in gen V games than in Gen 1, but when we think about stuff like Nuzlocke's or other fan written stories, Gen 1 gives a lot more freedom in story inventing. Gen V is pretty strict, which is good, since not all people want to write their own stories or theories. Gen 1 just gave people some space to think themselves.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree, however I'm not talking about Nuzlockes but the games on their own :)
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Forgotten-Shikigami Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
Every fandom has its whiners, and every fandom has sides where one person will point fingers at the other and say that they're doing it wrong. There's no escape from that. That being said, I don't feel like someone who says "If you are a true Pokemon fan, you'll like ALL the generations" can be taken seriously. Why? Because the fact of the matter is it doesn't work like that. People have opinions, and every person has different likes/dislikes. It's the same for Pokemon. Just because someone doesn't like the "better" Gen 5 doesn't make them a Genwunner, it just means that they don't particularly care for that generation.  And newer doesn't necessarily equal better.

Hell I don't enjoy the Pokemon Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire or Pokemon Pearl/Platinum/Diamond generations - I honestly think they're annoying and can't understand why people love them so much. One person may see one Generation as the best of them all, while others may see it as complete and utter shit. Gen 5's story wasn't that great IMO, but I do agree the mechanics were much smoother and they had some interesting Pokemon designs. There's nothing wrong with not liking the newer things and wanting that sense of nostalgia back; it doesn't make them "lesser" than the "true fans" and being afraid of change is not "toxic". It's preference and opinion, neither of which is wrong. There is no logic in the world that can stop a 25 year old college kid from wanting to go back to being a 10 year old kid with Fire Red on Gameboy.

In the end, if you enjoy something, good for you. If you don't, fine. But both sides need to stop jabbing one another and saying "OH WELL YOURE NOT A TRUE FAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T/DO LIKE THIS GEN AHURHURHURHUR." Pokemon is Pokemon when the day is done and the developers will do whatever the fuck they want with or without your consent.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
'If you are a true Pokemon fan, you'll like ALL the generations"'

I never said this. I never said this. I never said this. 

A person who enjoys Gen 1 blissfully and loves it above all is different from a Genwunner. A Genwunner is someone who wants to ruin the fun for people who enjoy the new generations, they rudely want to shove their opinion down their throats and hate change. All the Genwunner's I've met never focus on improved things like game mechanics and story, but they focus on insignificant things like design. Worst of all, they never offer ANYTHINg constructive and they speak directly out of their nostalgia and NOT valid arguments. This is what is a Genwunner, is a major difference from a Gen 1 fan. 
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Forgotten-Shikigami Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
No no no I didn't mean you! I was directing this comment at the caption you posted, not you! I guess I should have clarified that, sorry.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It's alright :)
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MimiMaxwell Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Artist
This could be just me, but I personally love it when Gamefreak gives us a whole new field to explore without any of the older Pokemon. I'm a little bit younger, so when the Pokemon surge in popularity happened in my generation it was Gen 3/Gen 4. I distinctly remember loving Gen 3 so much because finding and capturing all the new Pokemon made me feel like a kid again, discovering Pokemon for the very first time. It's part of why I also loved Gen 5 so much, that even though at this age I was able to spoil myself by looking up leaks 24/7, I felt like I was discovering Pokemon for the first time. Seeing Whimsicott and Lilligant made me remember when I squealed over getting Jumpluff all the way back when I played Gold.
It's part of why I'm so sad that Gen 6 is full of the oldies and so few new Pokemon, but then again, I love quite a lot of the new designs, so I'm in no way complaining and I look forward to the new experience.
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Perhaps the next generation will have more new pokemon. I have a feeling that Gamefreak wants to improve the main mechanics before adding a whole new  set of pokemon, like they did in Generation 2 :) They also added only 100 new Pokemon and the main game was focused in improving and adding game mechanics like new types and breeding. Gen 6 however is at a larger scale since it has Mega evolution, customization, a new type and Pokemon Amie.
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MimiMaxwell Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Artist
True that, and I guess with the new renders it would've been hard to create as many Pokemon in crunch time, though I wouldn't have minded waiting another year or so if that meant more new Pokemon. Or even sacrificing a few mega evolutions. (But then again I also say this because every year Pokemon has been released I've had a major exam so then had to wait a few months after its release! Gimme a break Gamefreak! Lol) On the flipside, it also means that the new generation of Pokemon players would be exposed to old Pokemon early rather than waiting post-game, which is good too :)
I will also say that Generation 2 had an extended story which made things even more exciting, as opposed to the other Pokemon games (that aren't the third part, aka Emerald, Platinum, etc) where post-e4 stuff is a bit underwhelming. Only time will tell how rich the post-main story content will be.
But I'm so glad for the things they have brought, ESPECIALLY character customisation! I feel that just opens up a realm of possibilities Pokemon comics and Nuzlockes and whatnot. Super Training too~ maybe competitive wifi could be an even bigger thing.
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NightmarishWaltz452 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
*Applauds*

Well spoken.
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kol98 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
Por fin, hasta que alguien tiene las agallas de decir la verdad de este fandom.

Esto ha sido una de las mejores opiniones que he leido respecto al fandom de pokemon sin lugar a dudas.

Mis respetos.
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bdg222 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013

I like Gen 1 over Gen 5. (Literal Gen 1 and Remake Gen 1)

 

I honestly can't understand this Genwunner hatred, given I've never met a person who honestly disliked the newer generations that didn't have an argument. The major problem with 'genwunner' (Don't you love how people deprive positivity when naming others they don't like?) is it's a fallacy ridden shield to protect the newer games from any form of scrutiny involving comparison. Heck, look at the last phrase of the definition example: If you're a REAL Pokémon fan, you like all the generations. That's an outright slap in the face to anyone with an opinion, is it not? It's a literal use of the Real Scotmans fallacy, a very rude fallacy to use. Heck, you even used it "Fans that want their franchise to take steps back are not true fans".

 

(I bet there was someone who thinks I'm a 'genwunner' already. My favorite two pokemon games are HeartGold and Platinum, both Gen 4 (or if you count original and remakes as same gen, Gen 2 and Gen 4))

 

I'm curious, WHY are some of the arguments in example 3 not true? Why can't someone prefer the old sprite work over the new works? I can like certain styles, right? Why can't someone say the new pokemon are overdesigned as a reason to dislike newer gens? People make the complaint about Kyurem's fusions being overdesigned, but once they're applied to other pokemon, it's suddenly not as legitimate an argument. I don't understand why someone can't dislike Natures and Abilities. People can dislike features all they want, but when it's those, it's a problem? Heck, if someone doesn't like 3D animation, now that X and Y comes out, can they dislike it for that? Or is everyone who prefers 2D animation over 3D animation completely wrong? Your complaint "Now there is a very simple solution to all of this, it might even blow you mind. If you don't want to bother with natures and Evs...Don't bother with them" counter to the idea that people can have an opinion? If instead of 1 new type, they doubled the number of types, would you not complain? It doesn't technically get in your way of playing, but not paying attention to them can cost you, which can make it less enjoyable.

 

My problem with this journal is the method. It doesn't address any issue in a rational, respectable method.

 

"Those who are afraid of change and progress are toxic" I don't want to change Flubalflabble. That statement means absolutely nothing to anybody, change is a term that only has meaning when applied. Anyone who would be afraid to change Flubalflabble can't be argued to be toxic since we don't understand what they're afraid of exactly. What if someone believes the structure of government they have is optimal? If someone argued that it should be changed, regardless of reasons, under the certain standard of thinking, the person who wants change is the toxic one, they want to go from optimal to sub-optimal. The term 'change' is an operator, it has no returned meaning until applied, and then reasons must be further used to show why the person desiring the change is in the right! Progress has the same problem, you can only know something is 'progress' after the fact, and people have other opinions. (As far as I can tell, I could put Black and White behind Gen 4 with no problem other than Gen 4 would lack their Pokémon). No one is strictly afraid of change, they're only 'afraid' to change specific things, and with their reasons.

 

"However, you cannot deny the fact that making the game more strategic increases the possibilities and makes it more challenging" As a game theorist and mathematician, I fully heartedly deny. More strategic? Does that mean more options, more variables, specific equations for them? I can't find any definition that permits the idea of 'more strategic'. Interesting question, does Smogon's method of division and inclusion of outside rules make pokemon more strategic or less strategic? It lowers the number of possibilities (Without Smogon, every possible combination is legal, but with it, less combinations are legal under certain labels), yet supposedly makes it MORE challenging. If unlimited sleep powder, evasive effect moves, and other OP strategies were kept in, does it make the game more or less challenging, or more or less fun? (Does "Less is More"

apply to strategy as well?) Moving forward sometimes means taking a step back.

 

"Yes, let's ignore the generation that has; a better story, better mechanics, better graphics, and higher team customization because it has a pokemon you think is ugly" I honestly think it had the worst story, it failed to deliver and contradicted itself in the end (AT least Gen 4 stuck it out to the end... as corny as it got. Gen 3 had a really dumb plot, but at least it was funny and followed through. Gen 1 and 2 had excuse plots, but those are better than bad plots). I don't find the graphics amazing at all. Great, it has more than 1 sprite and you switch between them for motion. Why can't someone like old artwork over new? Better mechanics should be debated, not asserted as prior, and similarly, why can't higher team customization be a bad thing? (See strategic)

 

"NO GENERATION is perfect when it comes to its designs and even if you believe in the bottom of your heart that Gen 1 had the best designs, that is an opinion and not a valid argument" I believe from the bottom of my heart that Gen 2 had the best, but why do you concern yourself with that? You only got 5 to chose from, everyone can make a choice on what their favorite is. You need to argue WHY if someone's favorite Pokémon are from previous gens, why Gen 5 had better designs other than 'progress' and 'change' and other than opinion. This sentence is really rude, and even defies the idea of valid argument (A valid argument is one that IF the premises are true, the conclusion is true as well. What you are looking for is sound argument (Premises are true and the argument is valid) ... which is very pre-emptive to assert either way...)

 

 

"Despite the fact that Generation 5 was the best Pokemon games up to date..." FACT!? This one statement is where I'll let my emotions out, FACT!? There is some derivable method, an equation, an undeniable method of logic that definitively PROVES Gen 5 is the best!? I honestly believe Gen 4 is the best, BUT NO, "that is an opinion and not a valid argument" BECAUSE WHY!?!? Nothing asserted before or after explains WHY. You just state it, a complete slap in the face to anyone who prefers other games. Like Gen 4 over Gen 5? Well, you're wrong, cause Gen 5 is better, it's a fact!

 

You can't assert your opinion as argument, it simply doesn't work. You need to establish why, under no circumstance, can the opponent be right. Why can't I assert Gen 1 had a better story? Why am I not allowed to assert the Gen 1 artwork as better? Can you prove inherent... 'betterness' outside of taste and opinion. If you want to prove your point, you can't rude use statements like some included here. Sure, you'll please everyone who agrees with you, but you won't get respect from your opponents, and if you're not willing to respect someone because you believe they have a stupid opinion, then I'm sorry, but you lose credibility in your argument. You can't take shortcuts in arguments, asserting something as true without prior only works if everyone agrees, but in this issue, people disagree and that's fine, but this is setting us back further.

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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The problem with Genwunners is that they got out of the way of ruining the experience for everyone. They make their opinions arguments when they are not (by only criticizing asthetic things instead of actual game mechanics) and they hate change, even if its for the better. 

I never said having an opinion is wrong but personally, I don't give a shit about your personal opinions. What I want to read are well constructed arguments. An opinion is saying 'I think this generation sucks because the pokemon are ugly'. Thats not a valid opinion because is based on asthetic design. 

Arguments are proven on fact. And yes, I think its a fact that Gen 5 is better than Gen 1. Its like choosing a ferrari over an old car. Of course is going to be better, its more advanced and has features that the old car cannot compete with. Now you can appreciate the beauty of the old car and thats fine, but saying that it can beat the Ferrari is a race is silly. Gen 1 is plagued with problems, that is a fact *pokes image*. Psychic was overpowered, fact. So yeah, I'm not solely basing my opinion on personal things. It is a FACT that Gen 1 games (including the remakes) have more problems than Gen 5 games. 

I'm sorry you were so offended by my post or whatever but honestly I feel like I did nothing wrong. Each Generation improves an aspect in pokemon battle mechanics. I didn't mean you are WRONG if you like a generation more than another, I never said that. So kindly stop putting words in my mouth. 

I said you are not a real fan if you don't want your franchise to grow and become better. You are not a real fan if you shove your opinion in people's throats in a rude manner because you want to ruin their fun.

I wasn't rude with my post, I'm merely expressing what I feel about Genwunners. If you feel if I were rude and don't enjoy or agree, its fine. I don't mind. But you are making a big deal out of nothing since my post won't change anything. Have a good day. 
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InsomniacFlaaffy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I love all the Gens, even with the flaws of Gen One and Two. I just have to warm up to the new Pokemans.
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teh-dino Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, there's Geewunners in any fandom that's had more than one incarnation. If they want to whine about things not staying the same, that's their prerogative, I just ignore them when they stop having intelligent discussions with me :p. I don't have the energy to pay attention to people who throw hissy fits about things like this.
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hyolitha Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
I grew up with Pokemon Red and and I'm not gonna lie, I have very fond memories of it.
Gold too.
When gen 5 came out, I was all set and ready to hate it. I, too, laughed at the trash bags and ice cream. I told myself I was never gonna play a single Pokemon game after SoulSilver. 
Welp, guess what. Somebody got me Pokemon White in June 2011 and I adored it so much. I loved it. Gen 5 quickly went up the ranks and possibly topped gen 1 as my fave gen, after all those years. I think it may be my fave now, actually. I really like a lot of the designs! Chandelure a a particular fave of mine.
I also like gen 3 which isn't very popular. It really wasn't a fave of mine when I was younger but I've come to really appreciate it. 
I scoff when people say they only like Pokemon up to gen 5. Mostly because Gen 4 is my least favourite gen. I liked it when it first came out because "OMG SNEASEL EVO!!1" but tbh I do feel Diamond and Pearl were a bit subpar. But, I don't hate gen 4. 
Genwunners irritate me. If I was once sort of a genwunner, then those nuts should be able to grow up and accept change too, you know...?
I'm excited to play gen 6~

(I'm so sorry. That was a mouthful. All in all, I completely agree with you!)
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Kittengoo Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I looooove Chandelure as well~ Certainly one of the most beautiful pokemon.

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Wheelzzz Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
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You rock. So hard.
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